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Autodesk Manufacturing – Kanazawa Japan?

Ok, this is an old post resurected for the occasion of a recent discussion on ellipsis. I still like it, so let’s run it again.

It recently occurred to me that Autodesk has no CNC or CAM solution.  I know that should not surprise me, and it doesn’t, but it does make me stop and think. Why not?  Have you ever looked at the list of software applications on the Autodesk products page?

There are many companies that have good standalone offerings that get the job done.  These companies have a large following of loyal customers. You might also consider all the companies that are integrating extensions into Inventor, Mechanical Desktop, and AutoCAD.  This I am sure aids in Autodesk annual sales.

Autodesk, however, has a good track record of purchasing product rights and integrating them into AutoCAD.  Remember DCA and Softdesk?  The product line is now Civil 3D.  But that is AutoCAD, not others.  No? hmmm.  How about Inventor and the acquisition of ALGOR for FEA alongside Inventor.  I think it’s time to purchase someone else.  In fact, I think a couple of companies are due theirs.  Let’s see….

imageFirst, InventorCAM.   That is SolidCAM’s Inventor plugin.  I want it! The integration is great.  I think probably the best integration I have seen.  I think this might be a good backbone.

Next, GibbsCAM.  There is a lot said about it, and it has an interesting interface.  Kind of a drag and drop Object oriented process interface.  We might be able to do something with that scheme.

image Ooooooh, we need to get MasterCAM too.  Not the interface, dear lord no.  Just the toolpaths.

Then get the guys in Lake Oswego beat the snot out of interfacing the toolpaths, and get Elena Fadeeva’s bunch to work over exactly how users would make he most out of the new product.  No..on second thought…

 

A NEW TEAM!

I’m thinking Kanazawa Japan.  Hey! Get somebody into a language class pronto! Herr Schneider and Доктор Fadeeva might like another language on their resumes.  And you know I’d be there; with one thing on my mind, to make the best AND MOST INTUITIVE CAM solution available.  If  everyone is too busy to step up, I could be persuaded…Yeah……(big smile on face)…..OH! Sorry.  I slipped of into some daydream there.  Anyway…

There are many good CAM solutions out there, both standalone and integrated.  None of them are perfect in their own right.  One is better at this, and others are better at that.  Many people will accept differing limitations, just to stay with an interface that doesn’t suck.  Let’s face it, if you have to use it everyday, you want it to be comfortable.  (I feel another article coming on).

There is no reason (except time, money, and politics) that we can’t get Inventor packed with a solid CNC solution; one that has a great deal more usability than what is offered.  Even another Autodesk product that works along side Inventor.  Ooh, we’ll include extensions for Solidworks and Brand X.  We don’t want to leave anyone out.

  • Mark Flayler

    John, just an FYI, John Callen used to work for Gibbs CAM and is now a Product Manager for the Computer Integrated Manufacturing (CIM) Group, and this may or may not be on his radar, but the work being done right now with Inventor is around Tooling. There were whispers of Jig and Fixture being the next incorporation, but that’s just hearsay.

    Now I agree with you on most of this, but the CNC market is actually rather small seat count wise. A shop of 15 Inventor seats normally has only one of MasterCAM or other similar software. Autodesk really needs to see the money in it in order to recoup and market effectively. Doesn’t mean I don’t want to see one too, this is just from some of the conversations I have had with Autodesk.

    • John Evans

      Mark,
      The market share thing is absolutely true. “Nothing but time, money, and politics….” anyhow I can dream. If there was ever place for me, integrating tool handling into Inventor for manufacturing is it!
      Take Care Flayler.

  • Kevin E.

    Yep, CAM is one of the last things that needs to be added for the true digital prototype mantra to be fulfilled. I have used Gibbscam in the past and I absolutely loved programming with it. They need a little UI help but they do pretty good. I can remember working with our VAR when I had a problem. Usually I was making it way too hard and after I watched him do it I was surprised how simple it was. Geometry creation in Gibbscam is the worst implementation I have ever seen. Way way way too complex. But the machining side is damn good.

    If Autodesk steps into this market, how far do they go? Do they just create a machining program? Would they also add laser, plasma, and waterjet? Do they add a sheet metal module? I would really love to see them add a CAM machining module, Mill and Lathe and 5 axis mill capability.

    • John Evans

      They could stay with RP and material removal via 2.5 – 5 axis plus lathe.
      For quality, I think they’d either have to go all out, or stay out of the ring. There would be complaints that the application was lacking, and anyone else’s package would be better for any reason.
      If you are gonna do it, do it right.

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